Debt is the foremost concern for MBAs and MBA candidates. Widely shared horror stories of six-figure debt that takes years to pay off don’t ease concerns one bit. The bottom line is that the cost of a two-year, residential, full-time MBA program keeps rising, and as long as that is the case, debt will grow, too.
Poets&Quants has examined the average MBA debt burden at the top 25 U.S. business schools and a handful of others, and come away with two key conclusions: Debt is rising at most schools, and that fact has prompted most schools to stop reporting their student debt burdens altogether. Since 2016, most of the top B-schools have decided that publishing MBA debt data scares off potential applicants — and before the coronavirus pandemic, when schools upended admissions protocols and extended application periods and saw a flood of applicants as a result, they may well have been right.
In 2017, when we last wrote a comprehensive examination of MBA debt, all but four of the top 25 schools reported their graduates’ debt burden to U.S. News & World Report. Last year, only 11 of 25 reported the data. Now that the widespread MBA app decline has reversed, will schools be more forthcoming about debt? We’ll find out later this month when U.S. News releases its annual trove of rankings data.
CALCULATING MBA DEBT BURDEN WHEN SCHOOLS WON’T REVEAL THE DATA
In the meantime, estimation is essential to understanding the MBA debt landscape. And so P&Q looked at four schools that did report their debt burden in 2020 — UC-Berkeley Haas School of Business, Duke Fuqua School of Business, UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School, and Rice Jones Graduate School of Business — then averaged the increase from 2016 data, coming up with an increase of 11.3%. We then used that increase to estimate the debt at their peer schools. The result: In the Poets&Quants Top 25, 15 schools graduate MBAs with six-figure debt, with the highest amount at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School — a whopping $145,186 — followed by USC Marshall School of Business ($140,107), MIT Sloan School of Management ($135,588), NYU Stern School of Business ($128,953), and Dartmouth College Tuck School of Business ($128,373). The highest non-estimated MBA debt average is at Duke Fuqua School of Business, which comes in at $119,125.
The lowest overall MBA debt burden in the top 25: the University of Washington Foster School of Business, where MBAs graduated in 2019 with an average of $41,082 in debt. Still, that was a 28.2% increase over four years earlier.
Among schools where estimates were not necessary, the biggest increase in MBA debt between 2016 and 2019 happened at Texas-Austin McCombs School of Business, where debt increased 38.6% to $82,937 from $59,860. Stanford GSB was next, growing its individual debt average 37% to $109,747 from $80,091. Notably, Harvard Business School had the smallest increase: just 1.3%, to $87,539 from $86,375. (We also know that in 2020 just over half of HBS grads graduated with debt, and that they averaged $90,000, a 2.8% increase.)
One big bright spot: The percentage of MBAs who graduate with debt has declined at most schools that still report the number. In 2016, 18 of the top 25 schools reported an average of 54% of their MBA grads had debt; in 2019, of the 12 schools reporting the number, the average had dropped to 48.6%. The apples-to-apples comparison of the same 12 schools in 2016 versus 2019 shows the percentage of debt-ridden MBA grads declining at 10, the same at one, and growing at just one school, Indiana Kelley School of Business, where it jumped from 45% to 55%.
Also bright: At four schools in the top 25, the actual amount of MBA debt has actually decreased since 2016, with averages falling at Yale School of Management, Virginia Darden School of Business, Emory Goizueta Business School, and Indiana Kelley. The average decrease was 8.9%, but that is skewed by the Kelley School’s huge drop of more than 20%, from an average of $70,146 to an average of $55,834. Debt also declined at three other schools we examined: Vanderbilt Owen Graduate School of Management, Ohio State Fisher College of Business, and Arizona State Carey School of Business, though it was up at four others. Debt at the lower-ranked schools overall was basically flat: Of the seven schools we examined, the average was $54,864 in 2019, up microscopically from $54,851 in 2016. Most notably, one school, the University of Wisconsin School of Business, saw a 75% jump in debt — the biggest increase of any school we looked at, including all of the top 25. See tables below and on page 2 for details.
TALES OF WOE — AND CAUTION
Bloomberg Businessweek in 2018 (and again the next year) and The Wall Street Journal in 2019 published long and detailed inquiries into MBA debt, showing the vast sums owed by graduates from the leading schools. But you don’t need a media filter to find horror stories about MBA debt. Take this megathread on Reddit for example.
Redditor “thwndockosls,” who started the thread, writes: “People keep saying that you’ll pay off your $150,000 MBA loans in 3 years, but I just don’t buy it. The calculations don’t add up for me after considering after-tax income, living expenses, and the desire to live a little (light travel, some savings). Using loan and cost of living calculators, I usually see myself paying back that amount in 5-6 years.”
Debt woes may be worse for those who graduated from small MBA programs. “Nonranked MBA” writes: “I’ll probably never be able to pay it off. Halfway in my non-ranked MBA program and I work as a part-time contractor at a medium-sized engineering firm. I have never made more than 35k at this point and you guys talk about making six figures. Just shoot me now fam, I’m ready to ascend.”
Elsewhere on Reddit, “Impossible-Fact7659” writes: “I know a lot of M7 MBAs are still carrying their student loan debt. I have many in my LinkedIn network who consolidated their loans and extended repayment out to 20 years. All of them (in my network) believed the goal was to get a high-paying job in consulting or banking to pay it off then do something that they actually enjoy later. But in reality, most of them allow lifestyle creep to happen. Now they’re paying big mortgages, rents, starting their own businesses, driving expensive vehicles, and living their best life with student loans far lower on their list of priorities.”
A popular school of thought among MBAs has long been that the best approach is to live frugally — even miserly — for a few years post-graduation while rapidly paying down debt. But some Redditor MBAs say that’s a mistake. “HapApp” writes: “I aggressively paid down debt then wished I hadn’t. I paid down 42k in about 2 years, but then wanted to buy a house and wished I’d had the liquidity. A friend is an SM in Big 4 consulting, graduated 5 or 6 years before me, has always paid the min on his loans, and used the extra cash to buy into real estate but generally lives a frugal lifestyle. Using free cash to invest has been much more lucrative for him than paying debt down has been for me.”
“KCSunshine111” replies: “I do think about that sometimes as I’m putting more than half of what I make towards my loans. I hate the feeling of being locked down, the idea of having to owe money forever. But I think maybe I’m not making the right call trying to pay it off so fast. I could be saving towards a house or investing more of my money. In the end, if I do buy real estate, I’ll be owning money then too, so what’s the point of trying to get out of debt now?”
MAYBE IT’S NOT SO BAD AFTER ALL
And then there are those who say the degree is still worth it, and the debt doesn’t faze them.
At Reddit, “eskimoroll” writes: “It took me 3 years to pay off my $150k loan and that’s even with the first year out of school (HBS) working on my own startup where I paid myself a relatively small amount to keep burn rates low. I then transitioned to FAANG (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Alphabet, formerly Google) and that made the payback pretty easy even with high cost of living in the Bay. I traveled the same amount as usual for vacations (trips to NYC, Chicago, Hawaii, ski trips, etc.) but I also traveled a lot for work which helped with points and status. My wife and I spent in moderation but not anything that would be considered indulgent. She also worked which helped our income situation but she earned significantly less than I did.
“It’s interesting how that student loan felt like such an enormous and insurmountable burden upon graduation but in a very short amount of time, it turned into an afterthought. I didn’t really think about it much and when larger chunks of money fell my way from bonuses or vesting stocks, I just threw them into the loan and it worked out. I probably could have closed that loan out sooner than I did but I had a really low interest rate on it so I just let it ride for a bit.”
Redditor “KCSunshine111” writes that he graduated from an M7 almost four years ago and has been working as a product manager at two different startups since graduation. “My salary started at ~$100k, am now at ~$150k. I’ve never gotten any form of a bonus, so that is my total comp (not including options since that’s highly intangible at a startup).” He adds that he took out one private and one Stafford loan each for both years, for a total loan amount of about $160k. “I’m still paying off my loans. Since changing companies last year and the pandemic, I’ve had more money to throw at it. I expect it will take me just over five years total to pay it off.
“I’ve been living in cities with a very HCOL (high cost of living), but I’ve been able to find somewhat cheap apartments. I don’t spend much on ‘fun’ (clothes, alcohol, gadgets), but I don’t cheap on food (used to eat at restaurants pretty frequently, though I usually brought lunch to work) and I was taking nice vacations a couple times a year.”
See the next page for a table with complete MBA debt details at the top 25 schools, plus some schools lower in the rankings. And if you’re at one of the schools with an estimated debt number that is way off — get in touch! We’d love to hear from you and we’re happy to plug in a new, more accurate number.
‘MAKE SURE LOAN REPAYMENT IS NOT THE LEADING FACTOR’ IN CHOOSING A JOB
Tuition, as we see below, has risen at almost every school (though some schools, like Harvard and Chicago Booth, have frozen tuition in the last three years). The lone exception is USC Marshall, where it declined by about 4%. At just five schools where it’s up — Stanford and Chicago among them — has it risen by only single-digit percentages. But MBA salaries are going up too, and while placement rates are down across the board, that’s largely because of a worldwide health crisis that won’t be a factor in future recruitment seasons. It boils down to this: With the right approach, an MBA is still a life-improving degree in most cases. Debt doesn’t sink the hard-working B-school grad.
That’s what Les Williams, a 2005 HBS graduate, emphasizes in a recent blog post. Williams financed his MBA through scholarships and fellowships, but also through significant public and private student loans. “I could have put more money down upfront from my salary, but I viewed HBS as an investment and I preferred to take the loans and pay them off over time,” he writes. Over the last 15 years he has worked in technology, real estate development, and entrepreneurship, with varying compensation — and varying loan repayment schedules.
It took a decade and a half, but Williams has paid off his private loans and has a balance of $15,000 on his public loans, making his payments about $224 per month. Over the years, he says, he chose not to use his bonuses toward his loans — “but instead invested it and used it to pay for other things.”
His advice? “Find a job that fits around you, and then work out the loan situation,” Williams writes. “Resist the temptation to find a high-paying job in order to lump-sum pay your loans and live a lifestyle you can’t support in a job you don’t actually want. Understand why you are doing it. Make sure loan repayment is not the leading factor.”
U.S. News will publish new data along with its MBA ranking later this month, and we will re-examine the debt numbers then. Will more or fewer schools report their grads’ debt burden? If history is a guide, the answer is fewer.
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